Other Goodmans of Wales and England

The Goodman name has long been in England.

In London, at the old Parish Church of St. Stephen Coleman Street (destroyed in the bombing of London and not rebuilt), is a memorial to Adam Goodman, buried the 37th of Edward the III (1364).

Thomas Goodman of Chishull, Co. Essex, is mentioned as a previous owner of land in the town of Thriplowe, Essex, in a 1408 deed. [Camb. 11466 in: ‘Deeds: A.11401 – A.11500’, A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 5 (1906), pp. 140-155. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64437]

Thomas Goodman and Thomas Goodman Jr are listed in various lists of Commissions (commissioners) of the Peace) [Appendix: Commissions of the Peace and Miscellaneous’, Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 1: 1509-1514 (1920), pp. 1533-1557. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=102737&strquery=goodman] In
Gloucestershire: 1=1 March, 1510: 2=12 May, 1510: 3=5 Feb. 1511: 4=28 May, 1511: 5=5 Jan. 1513: 6=6 Feb. 1513: 7=18 March, 1513: 8=7 May, 1513: 9=24 May, 1513: 10=13 Feb. 1514: 11=18 Oct. 1514. Thos. Godman (Goodman), junr., 1, 2, 3; and Thos. Godman (Goodman), 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.

Sir Robert Goodman, of Streatham, Co. Surrey, in the Parish Register- P. 488.—Additional notes from the Register.—” Sr Robert Goodman, buried Sep. 17, 1545; …” [‘Appendix: Corrections to volume 1’, The Environs of London: volume 4: Counties of Herts, Essex & Kent (1796), pp. 577-617. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45496]. He was probably born ca 1500 or before.

The “Katharine Goodman” was a British warship. [‘Henry VIII: April 1546, 11-20’, Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 21 Part 1: January-August 1546 (1908), pp. 287-305. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80846&strquery=katharine goodman]

About 1550, William Goodman of Ruthin married Margaret, daughter of Sir William Brereton, and their daughter Ursula became the wife of Sir Thomas Mostyn of Mostyn (living 1597), one of the King’s Council for the Marches, of Wales. This William Goodman was therefore probably born about 1530 or earlier. He is not mentioned in any of the known Ruthin Goodman wills, and in any case, was born too early to be a son of any f Edward “Redsleeves” Goodman. It is possible that he could have been a son of Edward’s brother, or could have been from the line of Goodman’s of nearby Chester.

Sir William Brereton was said to have been a member of the historic Cheshire family, whose name was thought to derive from the Manor of Bretune which was first mentioned in the Domesday Book. Sir William was reported to have held the post of Chamberlain of Chester and according to a county legend was unfortunate enough to fall foul of Henry VIII’s infamous jealousy and political intrigues.

Along with Sir Henry Norris, Sir Francis Weston, Lord Rochford, who was Anne Boleyn’s brother and a young man called Mark Smeaton, Brereton was accused of adultery with the unfortunate Queen, no doubt as part of the monarch’s attempt to rid himself of his seemingly unproductive spouse. Found guilty by a jury chosen by the King, all were subsequently found guilty and executed for their “treason”. Even the entirely innocent Anne Boleyn did not escape the king’s political machinations and was later beheaded at the Tower of London on 19th May 1536.

Another source documents this so: “Catherine Salusbury, third daughter of Thomas Salusbury, Hen, was married to Richard ap Howell of Mostyn, and had 8 sons and 5 daughters…William, Richard, Piers, Robert, Fouke, Edward, Roger, Rowland, Elizabeth, Katharine, Grace, Dorothy and Margaret. Richard ap Howell was about the finest character we meet with in Welsh History. He was patriotic, greatly attached to the land of his fathers, and a devout adherent to the cause of Henry of Richmond, which at the time was looked upon as the Welsh interest. He was present at the battle of Bosworth Field, and received from Henry the belt and sword which he had that day worn, as a token of his regard for his person. The new King pressed him warmly to attach himself to his Court, when the fine Welsh gentleman replied: ” I dwell among mine own people,” a sentiment which his descendants have followed with strictness down to our own day, for the Mostyn’s are proverbially a home race, and have in that way endeared themselves to their countrymen above any other family in the Principality. On the death of Richard he was succeeded by his eldest son…William Mostyn, who with other North Wales gentlemen, was commissioned by Queen Elizabeth to hold a great Eisteddfud at Caerwys, an account of which will be found in pennant’s Wales, and other works of like character. He married Margaret, daughter of Robert ap Howell and had by her Thomas, John, Henry, Grace and Catherine. His successor, Sir Thomas Mostyn was appointed by James 1st one of his Council for Wales and the Marshes and appears to have been a man of judgement and great discretion. He married Ursula Goodman, and had by her Robert, William, Thomas, Margaret and Catherine.” So, once again, we have connections of Goodmans to the gentry and prominent of N. Wales, including others who had ancestors at the Battle of Bosworth Field.

A Richard Goodman had a son, Gabriel, who was christened 8 December, 1557 at St. Bennett, London (LDS IGI). This Richard Goodman would have been born about 1535 or before. The son’s name of Gabriel makes some kind of family connection at least possible. Gabriel Goodman, Dean of Westminster and son of Edward Goodman I, was born in 1528, so could not have been the father of the Richard Goodman born ca 1535.

A Christopher Goodman wrote and published a critical essay, “How Superior Powers ought to be Obeyed“, in 1558. Accordingly, he would have been born about 1535 or before, and therefore may have been somehow related to Edward “Redsleeves” Goodman. He was of the nearby Chester family. Some sources claim that there is absolutely no connection between the Ruthin and Chester Goodman families. However, the use of the “spread eagle” for a time in the arms of the Goodmans of Chester, as well as the close proximity of Chester to Ruthin, would suggest otherwise. Christopher Goodman was a leader among the Puritans, and a translator of the Geneva Bible. He died at a very advanced age in 1602, and is buried in St Bride’s Church, Chester. The usual Chester Goodman’s arms are: Argent, a chevron sable between three crosses botony sable.

It is possible that aforementioned Thomas Goodman, William Goodman, Richard Goodman and/or Christopher Goodman may have been brothers of the 1st Edward Goodman, having also assumed the Goodman surname about the same time. If so, then the inclusion of the martlet in the coat of arms would indicate that Edward was the fourth born of those brothers.

An Edward and Elizabeth Goodman had a son, Godfrey, christened 26 August, 1674 at St. Stephan, London. This Edward and Elizabeth lived in London, and at a much later date than the prior generations, and no relationship could be established, except that the name Godfrey possibly associates them with this family.

The other reference in “Genealogical Gleanings“, p. 1354, Jane, daughter of Robert Whitfield and Agnes Atwood of Sussex, married Richard Porter of Begeham, and their 2nd daughter Mary married Thomas Goodman. This family also had connections by marriage to a William Blunt in England. The Blunt (or Blount) family appears often with Goodman families later in America.

In Leigh Castle in Essex, near Rochford, is another bronze, with a caption of: “John Price, born at Cardiff, commander of several ships of war under Wm. III, d. 1709, and w/ Martha, daughter of Thomas Goodman, Esq., of Bristol, d. 1696”. Bristol, an active Atlantic seaport, just south of Wales, was second only to London in trade, and as a common point of embarkation for colonists to America, especially to Virginia and the Carolinas. Bristol, and southern Wales on the north side of Bristol Channel, was also the home of several Williams families, and other important families of Wales.

See also:

Rowland / Roland Goodman, Fishmonger and Farmer of London

Thomas Goodman, Mercer of London


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